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Showing posts with label SB3081. Show all posts
Showing posts with label SB3081. Show all posts

Sunday, May 2, 2010

Senator Inhofes Office on SB3081: McCain SB3081 Holding Americans Indefinitely Without Trial

Last week, I posted on Senator John McCain's Senate Bill 3081 which, if passed, will allow American citizens suspected of terrorism to be held indefinitely without trial, and/or put through the military court system. Senator James Inhofe is one of the surprising co-sponsors of this bill titled "Enemy Belligerent Interrogation, Detention, and Prosecution Act of 2010. I spoke to Brandon Andrews in Inhofe's office about the bill, which he seemed well acquainted with.

 Jim Inhofe

Taliban American Adam Gadahn and al-Qaeda Anwar al-Awalaki were discussed. There is no doubt it is a new day in America, and there is an obvious need to find a way to handle American jihadists. Can we find a way to adhere to the U.S. Constitution and bring non-military Americans to a military trial? And how in the world did these Senators let this bill get this far?

First, this bill is clearly not in line with the Fifth or Sixth Amendments which says an American citizen cannot be held for capital crimes without the benefit of a Grand Jury indictment, and citizens must have the right to a speedy and public trial."  (See the text of both amendments at the bottom of this article.)

Brandon Andrews stressed that an American citizen, under SB3081 would not have the privilege of a Grand Jury if found to be a high-value detainee, but the bill provides for a final determination of the citizen's status by certain members of Congress, and the determination is to be made within 48 hours. If the detainee is determined not to be a "high-value detainee," or "Unprivileged Enemy Belligerent," then the citizen moves into the federal court system, or is released, and is out of the reach of SB3081.

If the citizen is deemed to be a "high-value detainee," or an "Unprivileged Enemy Belligerent," the the citizen is covered by SB3081, and is not entitled to a civilian court, a Grand Jury or a speedy trial.

I asked about al-Qaeda being specified in the bill, but not the Taliban. I asked about American Adam Gadahn, a Taliban al-Qaeda leader, and was surprised to learn that Gadahn is not covered by this bill, because Afghanistan is a sensitive subject, these days. So, theoretically, and realistically, if Gadahn is captured, he will go through a civilian court.

If American Anwar al-Alwalki, a cleric in Yemen with 9/11 terrorist ties, as well as ties to Ft. Hood shooter, Nidal Malik Hasan, is captured he qualifies for SB3081.

I asked if a non-military American citizen has ever been tried in a military court. He said they had, and said he just had that information in front of him, but couldn't pull it up at that moment. He said he would email the information. At one point he said I should have it in 10 minutes. After the phone conversation, the email did not come. I called him back. He said he would re-send it. I sent him an email to verify my email address. I still have not received the information, and have left a couple of voicemails for him but he has not returned the calls. This is unlike the way Inhofe's office usually works.

From my own search, I did find a couple of instances of non-military citizens in military courts, but they were in the 1800's. In 1866, Ex parte Milligan was decided in the U.S. Supreme court, ruling it unconstitutional for non-military citizens to be tried in military tribunals when civilian courts are still operating. That decision arose from 5 Americans planning to steal Union weapons and invade Union prison-of-war camps. SCOTUS found that military tribunals were illegal in states upholding the U.S. Constitution.

We have large numbers of American citizens joining the Islamic jihad effort, and we are increasingly at jeopardy from those citizens here, and those who have gone to Islamic countries to train. There is no doubt, it is a new day in America.

According to Brandon Andrews, there are some 3,000 Americans in Yemen in training camps right now. Yemen cleric Anwar al-Awlaki is a good example. He is New Mexico born-and-bred, but has fled to Yemen. It is alleged he had numerous contacts with jihadists in America: meeting with two of the 9/11 hijackers, correspondence with Fort Hood murderer, Nidal Malik Hasan, and perhaps he motivated Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab.

President Obama has approved the "targeted killing" of al-Awalaki.

During my phone conversation, there was no conclusion from Senator Inhofe's spokesman, Brandon Andrews, about how this bill works with the U.S. Constitution. According to Mr. Andrews, there is probably language in SB3081 that needs a review or clarification.

For your reference, here is the text of the Fifth and Sixth Amendments:
Fifth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the mIlitia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for he same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

Sixth Amendment to the U.S. Constitutionthe
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of counsel for his defence.
Back to my question of how these distinguished Senators let this poorly written legislation get this far, I don't have the answer but will venture a guess: perhaps the routine is that the "needs" are put on paper in the form of a bill, with all it's warts and pimples, in the hope they then get fleshed out in committees.

Related and Background:
John McCain's SB 3081 Holds Americans Indefinitely without Trial

Sunday, April 25, 2010

John McCain SB 3081: Hold Americans Indefinitely Without Trial

Senator John McCain (R-AZ) has authored Senate Bill 3081, which includes holding American citizens indefinitely and without trial if they are termed an Unprivileged Enemy Belligerent in the War on Terror.

John McCain

Obviously, this is not Constitutional and is in direct opposition to the Constitution's Fifth and Sixth Amendments.

The object of the legislation is noble: keep terrorists out of federal courts and don't Mirandize them.  Today, it is a grim reality that American citizens have become terrorists, are living in the midst of us, and are traveling back and forth, to and from, terrorist training camps. This is a new day in America's history.

But how do we explain, former Vietnam prisoner of war, and decorated American hero, John McCain authoring this bill? John McCain, the man who vehemently opposes America's 'enhanced interrogation techniques,' which neither kills nor maimes, but would seek to take away an American citizen's right to a speedy and fair trial.

It boggles the mind. The only possible explanation might be that the Senator is facing a strong opponent for his Arizona senate seat, J.D. Hayworth. Is it possible McCain knows this cannot pass, but thinks it might sound admirable from the man, who in opposition to most Republicans, wants Gitmo closed? Can he possibly misjudge conservatism to this extent? Can he really think conservatives want the Constitution trampled? Or...

Article Three, Sec. 3 of the U.S. Constitution addresses 'treason,' which consists only of:
 "levying War against them (U.S.), or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.
The Congress shall have power to declare the Punishment of Treason...
American citizens who engage in those things defining an 'Unprivileged Enemy Belligerent' (see below) could certainly be charged with adhering to our enemies, giving them aid and comfort - and...Congress has the power to declare the punishment.

Commenter, blogger and friend, Karen at The Lonely Conservative, sees another problem:
What's concerning about this is that the left keeps calling people like us terrorists.
That brought a howl of laughter from me, and after I picked myself up off the floor, and actually thought it about, I realized she is right to be concerned.

There are seven Republican co-sponsors? Senators Joe Lieberman (I-CT), James Inhofe (R-OK), Scott Brown (R-Mass), Saxby Chambliss (R-GA), George LeMieux (R-FL), Jefferson Sessions (R-AL), John Thune (R-SD), Roger Wicker (R-MS). I'll be calling Inhofe to see what he has to say, and I'll pass it on to you. If you have something to add , just let me know.

 Senate Bill 3081 says (snippets):


SEC. 5. DETENTION WITHOUT TRIAL OF UNPRIVILEGED ENEMY BELLIGERENTS.
An individual, including a citizen of the United States, determined to be an unprivileged enemy belligerent under section 3(c)(2) in a manner which satisfies Article 5 of the Geneva Convention Relative to the Treatment of Prisoners of War may be detained without criminal charges and without trial for the duration of hostilities against the United States or its coalition partners in which the individual has engaged, or which the individual has purposely and materially supported, consistent with the law of war and any authorization for the use of military force provided by Congress pertaining to such hostilities.

SEC. 2. PLACEMENT OF SUSPECTED UNPRIVILEGED ENEMY BELLIGERENTS IN MILITARY CUSTODY.
(b)...An individual who may be an unprivileged enemy belligerent and who is initially captured or otherwise comes into the custody or under the effective control of the United States by an intelligence agency of the United States may be held, interrogated, or transported by the intelligence agency and placed into military custody for purposes of this Act if retained by the United States within a reasonable time after the capture or coming into the custody or effective control by the intelligence agency
Found this of interest in the proposed bill - assurance that DOJ funds may not be used to prosecute:


SEC. 4. LIMITATION ON PROSECUTION OF ALIEN UNPRIVILEGED ENEMY BELLIGERENTS.
(a) Limitation- No funds appropriated or otherwise made available to the Department of Justice may be used to prosecute in an Article III court in the United States, or in any territory or possession of the United States, any alien who has been determined to be an unprivileged enemy belligerent under section 3(c)(2).


SEC. 6: (9) Definition of Unprivileged Enemy Belligerents:
The term 'unprivileged enemy belligerent' means an individual (other than a privileged belligerent) who--
(A) has engaged in hostilities against the United States or its coalition partners;
(B) has purposely and materially supported hostilities against the United States or its coalition partners; or
(C) was a part of al Qaeda at the time of capture.

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